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Hey guys!
So, as some of you know, I baught an RSM off of MD, it arrived a week ago.. I got it started the day it arrived =). I baught 11 pounds of live rock, i have 30 pounds of aragonite sand mix, clean up crew, 3 damsels and a clown. Im starting to cycle my tank now, keeping a close eye on the critters of course. I originally baught the 30 gallons of saltwater from a LFS, at first salinity levels were great, but i noticed that now it has dropped some. Im using the RSM hydrometer which came with the kit. How can i raise the salinity level to the proper level? i already have salt mix, which also came with the kit. And as far as cycling, should i have the skimmer on at this time? the owner at my LFS says no, but then another owner said yes, and then another owner said it doesnt matter whether i do or dont. *shrugs*. So, i leave this to you, i have had it on for a week and just today decided to turn it off..
And check this out, i know i am lacking live rock, 11 lbs on a 34g tank. its like a little pebble, but im waiting on some indonesian rock that he should be getting in! is there a problem adding live rock a week after i have started? and is it a problem if i mix indonesian rock with fiji rock? i prefer the indonesian rock because it is much much nicer looking, the colors!! 
I will be testing the water as of today, what visual changes will i see? if any... i dont see any algae on the glass or anything.. is that good or bad? ehh.. help me out buddies..
Thank you all...
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| Hey Andy, Couple of quick notes. I don't think you should have put livestock in the tank yet. Normally you want to put the liverock in the tank and let it cycle (testing for ammonia, nitrite and nitrates). Normally after you put the rock in you can start adding critters after about a month or two. If the rock you got was fully cured it may not be an issue, but if you have some die off on the rock you could wipe out the fish and clean up crew. I personally like to run a skimmer from day one, so I would say run the skimmer. You will find differences of opinions on this, so unfortunately many times this is just one where you have to figure out which way you would rather go. There is no problem mixing the different types of rock, but again if you put in "fresh" uncured rock into the tank there is a good chance you will spike your ammonia and/or nitrite levels and put the fish and other livestock in jeopardy. As your tank matures it will go through different phases. More than likely you will start to see algae grow on both the rock and glass once the nutrient levels start to build up some. HTH,
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As Keith mentioned, by adding the livestock so early coupled with the chance of die off of live rock you are probably going to be faced with ammonia and nitrite spikes. You should be keeping close tabs on your water parameters and be prepared to do water changes. During these water changes you can raise the salinity level SLOWLY by mixing your replacement water slightly higher than the existing tank water. Just remember to raise the concentration slowly. Never add salt mix directly to the tank. You will have some increase in salinity due to evaporation and that will raise it slowly. Don't get it too high though because you need to leave room for natural increases due to evaporation. HTH
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you know, thats what i thought as well, too soon for livestock but the owner at the LFS said, hey! just go ahead and start adding them! he gave me the hardiest fish he had, to be honest everything seems to be going fine with them... i havent gotten any algae whatsoever tho, so im kinda worried my cycle hasnt even started...
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andytoy (5/14/2008) you know, thats what i thought as well, too soon for livestock but the owner at the LFS said, hey! just go ahead and start adding them! he gave me the hardiest fish he had, to be honest everything seems to be going fine with them... i havent gotten any algae whatsoever tho, so im kinda worried my cycle hasnt even started...Sure he just made a sale . When I actually worked in pet stores people were amazed when I would say "no don't add any fish". They thought I would try to push things on them. I never have felt comfortable doing something like that and never would. Although some would get upset and tell me they know what they are doing, most were happy that I didn't push the sale on them and they would happly come back later for fish when the tank was ready. I also am not a huge fan of damsels. Yes they are somewhat hardy, but they become aggressive and many times will kill or pester new fish when they are added to the tank. You may consider getting rid of them before the tank has more rock and it is harder to catch them. If the rock he sold you was fully cured, you may never see a "true cycle" as the ammonia and nitrite are broken down quickly because you have seed the tank with good bacteria (from the rock) and there is no die off on the rock polluting the water. If you add the other rock you are talking about and it is not fully cured, you may see some spikes in the ammonia and nitrite at that point. Have you tested for ammonia, nitrite or nitrate at this point?
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| Hey Andy, Keith is right that you may of not really have had a distinctive cycle process or it happened so fast that you missed it. If there was enough bio filtration within that live rock any ammonia and nitrite would be quickly converted to nitrate. Keep an eye on your nitrate levels and see if you start to get a build up. Your bacterial population will increase as the amount of bio and waste load increase in the tank. Years ago they sold damsels as "starter fish". They were inexpensive so if they died during the cycle process, no big deal. But Keith is right, they can become very territorial and aggressive very quickly. They will go after much bigger and normally more agressive fish when you try to add these fish to your tank. It's definately better to catch and remove them now than to wait till later.
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| when i first started my tank i waited 6-8 weeks before i added any fish the algae started to grow after a few weeks. the local fish store then just started selling me fish like crazy and me being new and wanting fish bought them like crazy and i ended up loosing about 450$ worth or fish. i almost gave up. so now i call marine depot live before i buy anything lol i wish i would of known about marine depot when i started i could of saved so much money and head ache. my salinity levels also started dropping so to raise them slowly i started topping off with salt water instead of ro water so its going up very slowly. also i have a question how can i control salt kreap i have it like crazy my glass tops are sealed good so i dont know lol. thanks
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